With his usual brand of brutal honesty & zero sugar coating, Dan chats about what it ACTUALLY takes to build a business, how to cultivate resilience, and how he’s come full circle from putting his health on the back burner to achieve his goals, to being the fittest, healthiest and happiest he’s been for years 💪🏽

You can find Dan’s 17k strong FREE Facebook community, Coffee With Dan, here. A fantastic resource for both budding and established entrepreneurs.

Dan’s international bestseller, How To Be Fucking Awesome is worth a read/listen too.

Since we recorded this episode, Dan has also published his Dad Nigel’s (posthumous) book, a great collection of old school business lessons for a digital age. You can grab A Goat Gets What A Goat Wants here.

And if, like Dan, you’ve put your health on the backburner while you achieved your goals, and your ready to put some focus back on you, you can join my FREE Facebook community, The Food Ninja Dojo.

If you ready to go all in, you can find out how to work with me here.

Finally, if you enjoyed this week’s episode, please leave a review!

Transcript
Hayley:

I'm very excited today because I have a good friend, someone who's helped me massively with my business, international best selling author, illustrious leader, one of the most popular Facebook groups, Birdman of the South West, Dan Meredith

Dan Meredith:

Good morning, Hayley. Thank you for that

Hayley:

Before we start properly, should we explain a little bit about the Birdman of the Southwest?

Dan Meredith:

Yeah, so I've done quite a lot of podcasts over the years. I have a pretty decent setup here. And as you can see, I've got the bundled for free with you headphones that come with your iPhone.

Dan Meredith:

Yours truly has a thing for birds, feathered kinda in this instance. Hayley will know this because we've hung out in Brighton together when I used to live there. I like seagulls. I've always liked seagulls. I just think they're cool. I spent one whole summer in Brighton documenting baby seagulls birth two flights for three months or so I think I was talking about two months or so.

Dan Meredith:

So anyway, short version is where I live now is on the waterfront. And I'll see gulls around and I'm at the top and they can be quite chatty in the morning and they've been very chatty lately. And they have decided to nest upon my roof. And then the other day I discovered a mini Seagull who I've christened Dave in a little gully in between where I live.

Dan Meredith:

So there's a little wall separating us and he was kind of quite bemused of this large ape creature, certainly looming over the top. His parents are, as you would expect, very protective. And they like to try and dive for me with shit. Whenever I go into my own garden.

Dan Meredith:

I went away the other day, and then there's three of them in there now. So there's then three medium sized baby seagulls both there. So yeah, so I think they're going to be good. I think they're going to be good. But if you do hear a lot of squawking, I have fed them this morning. I've had a conversation with them. I've told them just to shut up. I said, here's some chicken, relax, just chill. Leave me alone. So fingers crossed. You will not hear the cacophony of seagulls during this recording.

Dan Meredith:

But I've done my best. And so I said, as I said to Hayley, so hopefully the noise is okay, I love podcasting myself. There's nothing worse than shitty audio. But I've got all my doors closed. It's hot as hell. And there's a fan over there, which I hope isn't going to do. So I'm trying to maintain the ability to deliver quality content without sweating myself into oblivion.

Hayley:

I did not know seagulls ate chicken. Is that cannibalism?

Dan Meredith:

Yeah,well, they will eat anything can mean obviously if you see them rain in the bins, they'll go through some KFC or some fried chicken. But I popped my head out the other day because there's a lot of noise. And I think they had some sort of rodent that they were all putting into and I was like, Oh, this is delightful. So yeah, mum and dad have brought back some treats up here.

Hayley:

Once a seagull swooped down and pinched the sausage out of my hot dog in Brighton. I've seen that happen. A limp, empty bun.

Dan Meredith:

I'm not. I'm not picking that up. I'm not picking up a bait of you not having a sausage and a soggy bun. not doing it.

Hayley:

So we'll we'll hope that Dave and his siblings stayed today. So for maybe there's a few people listening who don't know who you are. And can you tell us a little bit about your business and how and why you started it?

Dan Meredith:

Yeah, so I'm currently 42 As of recording this, I started it. I started I went online. I believe at 33 It's all a bit of a blur really. I've had multiple that's not what - I've had a selection of careers but it's predominantly been in either the corporate space headhunting consulting, advertising, marketing media, sort of big corporate stuff, or fitness or I've been a personal trainer. I've run gyms I was a director of a fitness business big national chain.

Dan Meredith:

So that's the sort of two I flip flop from. My first business was a gym, which I still have, which is still going to this day. That was my first business and then I I needed Well, there was some downtime as there is often when PT. I thought, oh, you know, being quite entrepreneurial. I thought, how can I use that downtime more effectively? What can I do to make some money.

Dan Meredith:

I heard about something called copywriting, which is not the little c that you see on products and things like that. It is the ability to write compelling words that sell effectively. And I saw a job offer through someone I was following to write emails for $30,000 a year, I thought, well, that's fucking crazy, like $30,000 to write emails. And I ended up not getting the job. But I became very good friends with the person who ran that business, ended up going into his business, sort of like as a trainee, funnel builder, and copyright and all this kind of stuff and ended up becoming one of his main coaches and end up sort of CO running a mastermind.

Dan Meredith:

I'm just good at the coaching stuff. So I grew a pretty big marketing, copywriting ads agency, those first few years. And then people kept asking me and I had no intention to coach or to do anything, there was not a plan. And people kept asking me, you know, when are you going to sell something when you're going to teach us and I was just like, Okay, well, back at the time, I'd moved and where I was living, so headhunting and recruitment, I was pretty good at growing and scaling businesses and stuff. And obviously, bringing people in to do that.

Dan Meredith:

I've got myself down to a point where it's only working really a few hours a week, you know, off the back of, you know, 5am to midnight, kind of days for a couple of years, that parlayed into a little bit of a drink hobby. So you know, nothing wrong with having a couple of drinks at the end of the day is quite normal, especially in UK, but a couple of drinks became few drinks. And that became more and more, and I was just drinking every night because I was just bored, to be honest.

Dan Meredith:

And a little bit, you know, there's a few personal things that hadn't quite worked out, you know, sort of like using it to kind of numb myself to some of the things that I had to probably deal with at the time. And yeah, I decided to set up a Facebook group called Coffee with Dan. And I thought if I'm very much a man of my words, if I say I'm going to be somewhere at time, I've got a real thing about the obsessive about being on time for stuff. So I thought if I show up in this group everyday, like for accountability, nine o'clock in the morning, I'm not getting it hammered the night before, because I will not not show up for people did a Facebook post saying, Look, thinking about starting this Facebook group. This is the plan show up in the morning, check. So basically check in check out posts is what we used to do nine o'clock, and I think it was two o'clock. I think we'd say what we did so far, and then go on my merry way.

Dan Meredith:

I think 500 People join that in two days, which is ridiculous. It's now about 17 nearly 18,000 That parlayed into a load of other things as well. And then I wrote a book because I put in a big event on and stuff. I wrote it in three and a half days. It sounds that sounds like it might be a shit book. But I actually didn't sleep I think I had I think I had one night sleeping three days.

Dan Meredith:

I just literally work, you know, got all the stuff I learned, put it into it. That went crazy bestseller on every single platform multiple times around the world. I think we're over a million sales. Now we sell quarter of a million to Barnes and Noble last year, no two years ago. So that kind of gave it a big bump.

Dan Meredith:

I was number one on all of Audible for a while number one on business number one in entrepreneurship. Yeah, pretty nuts, but the main thing I love about that is it's helped a lot of people, lots of people who've read and listen to the book, have not read books before don't like reading have found other sort of style of books very dry.

Dan Meredith:

Obviously, this, you know, handful of people who've you know, get their one star who just doesn't like it, which is fine. You know, they pay their money, they're allowed their opinion, but it's changed, you know, hundreds of 1000s of people's lives, which is really cool. And it's also provided me, you know, a great life a great income. I have a special needs sister, whose future would have been in the hands of you know, the council or what have something like that for some of her specialised care. So I'm in a position where I'm able to sort of provide for that. So that's it. Well, that was long, wasn't it? You did so yeah, that's it.

Hayley:

A little shout out to Anna Hi, Anna. So obviously, that's like quite a journey, right. And one of the things that I really like about your journey, and in particular, a lot of the things that you talk about online are you are really open about your health.

Hayley:

I think that puts you in a minority, because obviously a lot of online gurus I know you're not gonna call such a thing. But many people know a lot of business owners will not talk about their health online, I've come across that issue, you know, because that's who I'm trying to help.

Hayley:

And I actually did a poll in LinkedIn and on Facebook, and a lot of people said, they don't want to look weak in front of their competitors and stuff like that. So why firstly, why are you so open about your health? And secondly, obviously, it hasn't put you at a disadvantage and do you think more people should be kind of normalised chatting about the effects of business on their health.

Dan Meredith:

Yeah, I mean, for me personally, so a lot of my background you know, I said I was in the fitness space before this, you know, I knew what to do. I've got a degree in Sports and Nutrition back in the day, obviously, the things have advanced a lot since those days.

Dan Meredith:

But quite frankly, I made a decision. And this was my choice where I said, I was prepared to make sacrifices, and I would see where the chips would fall. So I basically said to myself, well, I've got to make sure I provide something for my sister in future and I wanted a good life myself, you know, not just purely altruistic, there was a personal reason and an altruistic reason, I effectively quit caring about a lot of things that I probably shouldn't have done.

Dan Meredith:

I don't regret having done it, but it was not smart on reflection. So for me, I was very honest, you know, yet, because people said, You've got to where you were quite quickly, and I was like, Yeah, but I also didn't sleep, I lift off caffeine, I lived off nootropics you know, my drinking was excessive, I ate shit, literal shit, but, you know, crap. I would rely on things like, you know, takeaways and quick stuff, because I was working all day long. You know, I had a big pot of coffee, like films in America, there's big pots of coffee. And I'd go through two of those a day, you know, I was living off nootropics and just taking anything to kind of keep me going.

Dan Meredith:

And yeah, it definitely affected to my physical health suffers, I was also into, like, powerlifting, I was very strong. So you know, I was kind of lifting big, big weights, but I look back at pictures of me. And, you know, you can clearly see that I've got some muscle there. But fuck me, I had some fat as well. And quite frankly, I just looked like I was ready to burst, you know, kind of clearly high blood pressure, you know, wasn't sleeping, my mental health wasn't fantastic.

Dan Meredith:

But I ground it out. And it's one of those things. And to the point where, you know, it was close to if I didn't make some changes, it would have finished me off. I had a few little warning signs and a few trips to the hospital, which were kind of a little bit. But it wasn't scary. It was just kind of like, oh, is this is this where I am now. So but I realised that, you know, I could make changes, and I knew it wasn't going to be quick. My whole ethos is showing up daily and doing things over time. And I just, you know, I know that any sort of transformation or change was going to do it. And I wanted to share because a lot of people talk about making changes, I've done the same, you know, you know, I've learned the hard way I would I know I'd say now, that's my philosophy, but then I'd be like, go all in, do all the things and I would do the same thing over and over again, I think a lot of us do this as we get older, we still think we have the body and the resilience of our 20s.

Dan Meredith:

And that's not the case, you know, jumped straight into a routine that start doing, you know, like four or five spinning sessions a morning hitting the weights every night, you know, eating super clean, and then I'd have one day where I'd be stressed and I just fucking snot two pizzas back to back, or I'd get injured because I just you know, would like now fuck all this warm up nonsense. I'm just gonna go back in like I used to. And yeah, it was always, you know, best intentions. But there will always be a setback. So I decided to kind of reach out, you know, to you know, you're one of the people I've reached out to over the years to get that back on track in a way that was sustainable. And I've pretty much maintained that now for like two plus years.

Hayley:

Yeah, you're probably the healthiest now that you've ever since I've known you.

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I mean, I'm probably I'm in the smallest jeans since my 20s that I'm in right now. I'm, you know, my resting heart rate is under 60. I sleep well, I don't apparently, I mean, anyone watching this can troll me otherwise, I don't apparently look my age, which is good, you know, to get mistaken for sort of mid late 30s, as opposed to early 40s, which is nice. You know, my skin's better. Everything works. Well, you know, I feel good.

Dan Meredith:

t's not like I'm always right now, but I think clearer, I'm more able to make effective decisions, I'm less controlled by anything emotional, and I'm wrong less often. So it's not about being right or wrong less often. And I've shared that one of my things has always been about sharing the good and the bad. You know, and I will say, yeah. I'm going to start I'm gonna do this thing. And then I would fuck up.

Dan Meredith:

But I would never hide it come off. Like, you know, it's just a case of I was very open and honest with people and every to the more for me with sort of a decent sized following what found is the more honest and open our people. And you right, you wouldn't get people publicly saying stuff.

Dan Meredith:

But my DMs and my inboxes would get really chatty, because there's a lot of people who are like I've struggled with this. I don't know that I can't do it, you know. So yeah, I think by being open enough to share it, it's inspired other people to make changes, you know, mainly businesses my day to day but obviously the physical side of things.

Dan Meredith:

That's also a lot of people have, you know, knocked drinking on the head, for example, and bear in mind, I'm not one of those pious, you can't drink. You know, I've gone on dates and stuff before and they'll be like, Can I drink around you and it's like, you know what, I'm probably not going to dive over you to grab your G&T. I've even had people and it's very sweet people. So when they're cooking for me, and they're like, Oh, God, there's wine in this recipe, and I'm like, Yeah, I'm probably not going to snort a load of beef juice with wine. Okay, it's all right.

Dan Meredith:

But yeah, and it's I think by being honest and open, it encourages other people. They're not alone. You know, plenty of other people doing it. And it's, I'd say, it's more on the male side of things from I've noticed a lot of men don't want to admit failure or doing things wrong. But you know, realistically, it's, you know, especially online, you post something, you tell someone about it in a couple of days, it's forgotten. So does that answer your question, a very roundabout way of you listening, if you've never have, I have these things called Dangents. So I tend to go I take the question, then I'll go off, off on away. So I hope there was some value in that seven minutes of me talking or whatever

Hayley:

it was, this is good. It makes my job a lot easier. Good. Why do you think because obviously, you've mentioned there that improving your health, it wasn't just a physical thing, you know, your cognitive ability in terms of like your clarity, and probably, you know, better able to make really good decisions and stuff like that.

Hayley:

Why do you think so many people don't draw that, you know, join the dots between actually, if I look after my shit, my business gets better because I can think better and make better decisions and be more present with people communicate better. But people just don't seem to make that connection.

Dan Meredith:

No one talks about it. Hardly. I mean, you do. But most people in the fitness nutrition space who aren't of your calibre, so there's some great people now I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, you know.

Dan Meredith:

What you'll often find is when I used to work as a personal trainer, you would people would want the physique changes, they want the abdominals, that fat loss, you know, and they'd often say, I want to feel better as well, you know, that's, but they wouldn't, they wouldn't really give any credit to what that is, you can't don't know what you don't know.

Dan Meredith:

So often, it was the physical first, you know, for me, I wanted to lose weight, I dropped I think like 20 Something kilos. Now, for me, it was purely aesthetic, I want it to look better. There's a certain type of lady that I like, they also enjoy lifting weights and things. And I thought, well, I've got to meet him at least halfway. I think my favourite phrase my friends said, he says you'd like 10 pounds of shit and a seven pound bag. And I was like, so, you know, be a bit silly there.

Dan Meredith:

But you know, I wanted to, you know, look better as well. You know, because I said, when I made sacrifices, you know, that was not only my physical ailment, health, it was relationships, that was free time and hobbies and friends, you know, I kind of was like, right, I'm going all in.

Dan Meredith:

So I kind of want, you know, always said, I'm gonna get to a point where I could then, basically I don't advise this. But just as you know, I found this is something that I went all in on something knowing that there was going to be some damage done along the way to myself, and I said, Well, I'll get to a point where I'm successful enough that I can then start outsourcing and like, undo all the work I did, which is like working with you and other coaches and trainers and you know, meal preps and all this kind of stuff over the years, but it's like, do I advise it? No, would I change it? No, but it worked for me.

Dan Meredith:

But the mental side of things was just something you just experienced as you go along. So as you know, again, I eat better. I eat mostly clean now with you know, by clean and obviously, there's obviously lots of misnomers - I try ans eat as least processed as possible? Yeah, just obviously, the less processed food I eat, the better I feel.

Dan Meredith:

But even then, when I will have a you know, you know, I have like days off, you know, I track my macros, I know what I'm doing, you know, track all my steps, and my sleep and all that kind of stuff. But it's not obsessive, I just know what to eat. And I've got wiggle room as well. I can still enjoy, you know, the pizzas and burgers, but I tend to now make better choices with that as well.

Dan Meredith:

So even though I'm eating you know, relatively good, nutritious, you know, nutrient dense food throughout the week, if I want to have a pizza and stuff, I know I've got the macros available to keep me you know, my sustained kind of level that I'm at, but I'll be instead of just going right I'm just gonna get Dominoes, you know, nothing against Domino's, but like this, but I would genuinely feel a bit meh after that, I will generally make better choices, so I'll get better quality foods, I'll get, you know, a better quality pizza or a better quality burger a better quality ice cream, so I still enjoy my stuff, but instead of just going volume, which it was before yourself happy.

Dan Meredith:

So I feel sick and sometimes be sick cos I'd eat too much like a fucking dog. Now I just make better choices and I don't have that need to binge anymore and overeat because I you know, want to say oh, I've got a free evening or they go crazy.

Dan Meredith:

Now it's like they'll have, you know, a pizza and a couple of scoops of ice cream. And before I might feel bad about stepping off the wall, you know on that and then I go back now I'm like, You know what, I had a great night last night I was with my friends. We enjoyed food together. It was social that's worth a modest tiny few grammes of weight gain. It may have been but it's that whole but everything I just think better off it, you know, I might end up my insides feel better. I sleep better. I'm less moody. I'm not particularly moody, but I'm just more in control of my thoughts and it's just made a big difference and I tend to be you know, I think it all ties in you know, eat better, therefore sleep better, therefore a more rested, therefore I'm less likely to make silly snappy decisions and stuff like that or based on emotion, because I'm tired or because I'm hungry as well, you know.

Dan Meredith:

I've done very extreme diets as well, where I just had no energy to do my job, or just snappy because I was fucking starving. So yeah, it's all it all ties in nicely, I see it more as you know, it's like my now philosophy is, this is the vessel I've got left. If I look after it, it will do me good. I'm a huge fan of motorbikes. I've got few of them, I look after my bikes, you know, I put in good oil, I put in good petrol, I make sure they're serviced all the time. And it works. And it gives me lots of fun. And it's just the same principle I use as my body more good stuff I put in, within reason with a little bit of wiggle room for fun. Everything's trends up

Hayley:

Yeah, it's so amazing for me to hear you talk about balance, because I remember when we worked together, I remember one of the things that you said to me was like, tell me how many of these chicken wings I can have for all of my calories.

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Want to live off chicken wings at the time? I'd like too Yeah,

Hayley:

I think that that's quite common with business owners, because, you know, you talk to them about how you've become so successful in a short amount of time, by being extreme by just doing more roll more extreme faster, you know, go bigger, and you know, more extreme behaviours.

Hayley:

And I think a lot of business owners have that personality, and then to try and get people to realise that's your MO for your business. And that's how you been successful, but actually, that you can't apply that to your health, it doesn't work. So it's trying to that mindset shift between, well, that's how I normally get success, but actually, I can't get successful.

Dan Meredith:

You can't apply that to everything. I mean, you know, as well, I will say this as well, when I did that, with the business stuff, it was a perfect storm for me. You know, I was in my early 30s, my partner at the time, she was dancer, so she travelled a lot. So I had a lot of time to do it, you know, to work, you know, no kids, you know, by my sister, no real dependents or anything. So I was I said, Well, I'm never gonna get this opportunity again.

Dan Meredith:

So I'm gonna give it my all, but applying those principles to other parts of my life just didn't, didn't work, you know, you can't go all in on something most of the time. You know, I've learned this the hard way. You know, for example, like when I've dated in the past and stuff and maximums, like, right, we're doing this online, it's like, Hey, I just hung out for a couple of times. And because I just can't, my philosophy is more a case of, I can't be fucked, let's just get on with it. What we're doing what we're doing, you know, what's the numbers? What's the deadline? Why what you know? And what about relationships? They're just everything?

Dan Meredith:

No, no, no, this is not this is like general business life, like what we're doing. When is it done by ya know, what's the end date? You know, what's the goal? What's the numbers? You know, in? Like, in our case, what's the number I need to eat to be pretty? I would say, yeah, and, yeah, obviously, I've learned those numbers over the years or works for me. But it is everything now is sustainable. Like, if I stay where I am, right now, I'm pretty fucking happy with.

Hayley:

Yeah, no, I can see you're you're much happier. Definitely.

Hayley:

Obviously, you talked about that you used that kind of method to be successful in your business. And I think, again, you're quite unique in the fact that you made a decision that, right, I'm going to use that method, but there's going to come a point where I know it's going to have to change. Whereas a lot of people who come to me are always saying Oh, after this launch, or do this, or I just Oh no, I keep working these 14 hour days after the next project. But then the end of that comes in, then there's always something else, there's something else there's something else so they never escape from that.

Hayley:

Whereas you managed to say right, you draw a line and say I've used this now I can't sustain that because it's not healthy. So what was that point that you made that decision or what was it that made you think right? Okay, this is the time that I need to stop doing this stuff

Dan Meredith:

To be honest, I remember sitting down at my mums or mum and dads still to my dad passed away a couple of years ago and actually being able to train and stay focused and eat well during a really stressful time actually allowed me to be a good son to my dad and his final days and I'm not just throwing that in there, it's a case of you know, I didn't you know, something that I needed to know I was I was well I was doing a bit of emotional eating then but you know, I kind of was you know, eating as good as I could during a pandemic definitely helped me during some troubling times as well as just felt better.

Dan Meredith:

But for me back in the day it was I sat down I literally look left there's a mirror there and my gut was just there and then I thought to myself God Imagine getting fucked by that. I was just thinking to myself, That's not a treat.

Dan Meredith:

Bear in mind I am not being just want to make it super clear not being sizeist. You can be do whatever you want. Everyone deserves love and intimacy and size is irrelevant. But for me personally, I felt minging and I just thought I don't look Good. Yeah.

Dan Meredith:

And the other thing is I felt it was incongruent with my brand, because I felt my brand is about getting shit done. It's about doing what you're saying there. And I think you might well have done. Why am I not congruent with that there? Why can't I get that element of the shit done? Yeah, so I was very honest with myself and I said, Well, I had a big push, obviously, it was gonna be a big push, it's gonna be a big tour, but then the pandemic kicked in.

Dan Meredith:

So I thought to myself, not only if I ate better, and looked after myself, would I be able to sustain the duration of the travelling, but I was also going to be on stage. And I saw some pictures of me on stage before and you know, from if I knew the camera was on me, it was okay. But a couple of like, you know, see people taking photos up at your stage, I was like, fuck, you know, and I just didn't feel it was congruent with my brand.

Dan Meredith:

So I am not in, you know, I'm very much I want everyone in my world to be happy. And if you're happy, you can look how you want to be how you want to, it's super cool. happy for you. But for me, I was unhappy with how I looked. And the fact is, you know, I had a brand talking about getting shit done. I come from the fitness industry, although I still owned a gym, and I thought this is not very congruent with my message. And I felt it was important to make that as well. So that was that was kind of like, you know, literally looking over at myself and just go Oh, what was not pretty?

Hayley:

Like you say it's not just about a physical thing, is it? Because I know, like when we worked together, you were going to do Expert Empires, weren't you?

Dan Meredith:

Yeah, I had to be on stage for that.

Hayley:

Yeah. And I think just knowing like going up on stage and knowing that, you know, I've been looking after myself, just that self esteem that you've got from knowing me, I'm doing all the shit that I need to do to take care of myself. It comes across when

Dan Meredith:

It bleeds into everything, and I'll just say, Look, if you've, if anyone's listening, and it's like thinking, you know, sort of thinking about whether or not you're allowed to, that's the beauty of having an opinion. But I've just been honest today on what I did some of the things I didn't, and we'll focus in on them. But for me, you know, I'm a pretty confident person. But that's something I've worked on, not naturally, I'm naturally an introvert, and I've kind of trained myself to be more extroverted and put myself out there more overtime.

Dan Meredith:

But how I feel walking into meetings, if I meet people at a wedding at the weekend, when I you know, if I meet a new social group of people that I feel good, you know, I, you know, that yeah, there's people with, you know, six packs and veins all over and all that kind of stuff. But I, you know, I look in the mirror, I'm really happy to present and you know, what?

Dan Meredith:

I can walk into this may sound really small to some people, but it's something that I've always struggled with, I've got very big legs. I was a rugby player for a long time as a powerlifter love squats always been a big fan of squat, squat squats, you know, squats, deadlifts, all that kind of stuff. But I used to kid myself that I couldn't get jeans to fit because my big legs and my legs are big, they are you know, large thighs. But I used to have to get like 38 and 40 inch trousers to not only get my legs in, but also the other padding that I'd accumulated.

Dan Meredith:

This may sound really small to some people and I think maybe some of the ladies listening might identify as a bit more but I could walk into a shop and I could get what I call people clothes and I used to just I used to have to get my a lot of my jeans online because they would never stop the bigger sizes. So I have to get them online it was honestly I when I say I dreaded a lot of guys fucking hate shopping anyway. And especially jeans shopping, like we don't fucking want to do this do not want to do this, but it was I used to dread it I used to fucking dread x I was like, I'd get up and I get it and I get that point halfway up and I'll be like for fuck sake and then I'll just get hot and annoyed and angry and all this kind of stuff.

Dan Meredith:

Now I mean I literally have I wear the same outfit everywhere I go it's black T shirt, blue jeans, black, the black trainers, or brown boots I wear the same shit all the time. I'm a large now in my T shirt which is the first time since my 20s and I now can walk into so I've found I've never worn like fitted jeans and now I can go so the brand I like Hugo Boss not being a wanker just the jeans they tend to fit guys you lift a bit quite well but quite good. And I can get 34 off the shelf and I don't even need to try them on I know a 34 fits me so I mean I have not been able to do for I'm gonna say 15 plus years

Hayley:

Wow that is a huge thing I think and I do I actually think it's not just women because I heard hear so many of my clients say you know I could go into a shop and just know that I can pick up anything and it'll look right on me and even you know I remember Zak saying you know he's lost five stone and he said almost exactly the same words as you like I can just like by normal person closing a normal shop is quite a big thing

Dan Meredith:

I like my life as simple as possible. And starting this process we you know with you and then continuing to further a lot of it was about removing had to remove things from a life and make space to make it happen.

Dan Meredith:

You know like in you know, it's a case of your head to take you know, change my diary make my plans so I can actually have time to I get I can't I came from a school where you just trained you just trained loads and nutrition was like, you just that's just you know, training vaguely healthy, like a few carrots in or something.

Dan Meredith:

Whereas actually, now, I maintain the muscle mass I've got really easily. And as long as my nutrition is on point, it's so much easier to do it with food than it is with training. You know, I haven't got time, under the body or the hip anymore to train for like, two, three hours a day, which I used to be able to do, you know, that sort of thing. I don't want to do that. Now. I you know, I'm so fit and healthy and like lifting, but it's a case of, you know, if I watch what I put in my mouth, it makes the whole process so much easier.

Hayley:

It does. So that's like, so that's the thing that not many people want to pay attention to, because they're like, well, they're like sexy stuff, like lifting heavy weights and things.

Dan Meredith:

I mean, for me that I'd say now the gym, I used to use the gym as my immediate for example, I'd wear my zone belt and I would always try and you know, look at my calories burned. And I would always be looking at my steps and then I'll be working out how many calories you know, I was always that, whereas now I know if I got the nutrition side relatively dialled in, again, not perfect if I was, you know, if it's pretty much on point, most of the time, I'm good. I'm not obsessed. My is not, I don't feel guilty.

Dan Meredith:

You know, the other day, I just added just a fucking brilliant week, and I thought, I'm gonna go get half a litre of ice cream from this amazing ice cream shop. And I didn't feel one fucking bit guilty at all. I was like, You know what I want it. You know, I know food is a reward is not necessarily a good thing. But I was like, You know what, it's a hot day, best ice cream up and fine. I'm gonna go sit on my balcony and eat that. And it was delicious. I had a great time. I felt fucking no badness about it at all.

Hayley:

Exactly. And that's I don't think it's not necessarily a reward. Is it? Because it's the experience as well, isn't it? You're sitting on your balcony. Like, I had a great week and whatever. So yeah, I think that's a really healthy attitude towards food, which is a massive change, isn't it?

Dan Meredith:

I know. I mean, yeah, it's, it's definitely made a big difference getting that dialled in, I mean, now, obviously, this may not be appropriate for everyone. But you know, now I kind of have a really good meal prep company that I use, it makes it simple for me, but even then, I've got enough that covers, you know, the protein requirements and eat the good energy that I need. And it's still like five 600 calories a day of wiggle room. So I can either make something healthy, or I can bank it all and have a fun Friday. Or if I just want I go for a little walk every night. Every night, I often have one scoop of ice cream, I just go around the river have a scoop. And I'm just a lovely end to the day system. So yeah, I'm in a very good place, you know, with nutrition now, which I haven't been for if I'm honest, a very long time.

Hayley:

Yeah, that's amazing. I'm really happy to hear that you. So something else I want to ask you about you are, I think quite well known for your resilience. I know, obviously, you mentioned your hip there. And obviously you had your little accident on the bike. And you've gotten a bit bashed up lately. So in terms of, you know, I think a lot of people would be really interested to hear about where does that resilience come from? And can you cultivate it? And you know, how do you manage to keep going and keep your resilience kind of topped up.

Dan Meredith:

I mean, if I was to sum it up, the thing that has got me through everything and there was a seven month period where I'm bear in mind this first thing might sound a little bit wanky, but I come from very, very little mum and dad weren't wealthy and looking back at my childhood, I realised how many sacrifices they made, you know, mum had three jobs you know, Dad worked full time job, special needs sister who took a lot of care.

Dan Meredith:

You know, when you look back some of the things that for example, my dad because he'd have a fuel card, so he could drive us places for his old job back in the day. And as his humpback bridge and used to drive me and my sister over it for like an hour, either side, just not fast that was gonna kill us. But it's just, you know, that feeling of you like a roller coaster feeling. And he said, You know, that's all he could afford to do couldn't afford to take us anywhere. But he could take us for a little drive and show us things and take us on walks and stuff.

Dan Meredith:

So I said so I've always loved going fast. So I looked for so in space of I think in that year, so 2020 I had a couple of jet skis that I used to use with clients and for fun when I used to live in Brighton.

Dan Meredith:

So they got stolen, first of all, so I've had two things that I wanted my whole life stolen, then the day they got stolen was the day I actually found out that my dad had cancer. So had that call in the morning. Then I got a call from the people who looked after him said sorry, they've been stolen. I was like, Well, you know, that's what I've just heard.

Dan Meredith:

It's like, then obviously all of us had Corona to deal with my boys who run my gym. They're like the children that I've never had. I love them dearly. They are the most wonderful gentlemen ever really proud of them. And they've turned up to but they were obviously panicking. So I wanted to make sure they were secure and then obviously everyone online so obviously everyone online was starting to lose their shit.

Dan Meredith:

Then unfortunately dad passed in July of that year, I had let's just say a very dynamic relationship at that point where which was a little bit challenging. And I thought this year has been a bit of a sucker. This has been, this has been hard. And remember saying to Mum, it can't get any worse.

Dan Meredith:

And I've got run over. So yeah, on my motorbike and it is a new bike, which I bought a couple of days after dad passed as a little thing to kind of cheer me up. And yeah, so obviously, my pride and joy got destroyed as well as me. I mean, but you know, carbon fibres, just way more your body will grow new bones and stuff. really fiddly to fit, can't glue it together.

Dan Meredith:

But anyway, so yeah, and I realised I remember just thinking to myself, if I didn't have, you know, my ability to be resilient, I'd be fucked by now. And honestly, it boils down to routine, it but like I do, give or take the same things every day. And it's just a lot and I have a few little little systems, SOPs, you know, things that allow me to if something goes wrong, okay, I've got a little structure.

Dan Meredith:

So for me, it's the same things every day, you know, I'm not going to be one of those cold shower ice wankers. Okay. I mean, it's good. Yeah, you know, I'm not for me, I wake up, I have a cold shower, go for a walk, come back, do a bit of sort of, you know, I wouldn't even call it journaling, I just get what's out of my head. Sometimes it's like a to do list sometimes it's just things I want to do. Sometimes I'm just fucking rage writing. I don't know what it is. Then I start my day.

Dan Meredith:

And so that's a similar evening routine as well, which is stretching an Epsom salt bath, reading with my glasses. So basically, a lot of things I do just is it's just routine when you got shitty times routine is your friend and I will say a lot of people are holding up my phone here. A lot of people get too reliant on their phone in a bad way as it is notification people are pinging you and getting after you.

Dan Meredith:

So for me the best thing that I've done and I've done this now for for two years, and I get all my clients to do it is a four week calendar. I've got Gregorian calendar notes annoying, why does my opinion why is it not 28 That one's gonna fit in us 31 sharp make it equal sorry, I like routine routine gives.

Dan Meredith:

So for example for me, I went through my whole life and did a bit of an audit of my life I looked at the areas that were lacking and those areas that were strong the areas that were strong I kind of put on me d minimum effective dose just maintenance let's keep them ticking along the areas that were weak, I was like cool, what can I do every day, every week and every month to improve them.

Dan Meredith:

So one of the things was you know, connection with someone already missing so I've made sure that I got in the diary time to see my mom and sister time to see my old school friends you know, once a month I go and travel based on my internet friends living in fucking Narnia one of the better phrases all over the place. So I you know, I say to myself, you know, every week I'm going to go see mom every two weeks

Dan Meredith:

So we play badminton, but I would do that and then once a month, I would go and visit a friend somewhere. So I do that a walk a day for me is a non negotiable, you know, non negotiable. I've even got wet weather you know, kind of like overall type things I can wear like if it was pitched. Everyday go for a walk with music makes me happy.

Dan Meredith:

The gym three times a week, I do offer more than that. But minimum non negotiable. These are all things that I do, you know, reading non negotiable educational stuff, non negotiable, just put them into my diary. Now, yes, it's easy for me to have got certain things. So you might if you got kids or commitments or things and you're going to have to be realistic, you might have to let go or get up a little early a bit later, whatever. But for me, it has been routine.

Dan Meredith:

And the fact is, I do this every time I kind of feel a little bit out of sorts, or as my friend tag would say some type of way. I do another life and business audit, I go through everything, really practically anchor coolest look at this, this look at that. Let's take things really structured. And then I put a plan in place. And then what I do generally takes about two or three hours I then programme my phone. So I put my phone, I ignore the calendar months I don't I used to do it when I was a personal trainer as well. So I used to work in you know, cycles. And it's like every fall, we just do four week cycles. It's nice and simple. It's easy programming. So I know there's things I do daily that keep me on track things that I do weekly, that are on track and monthly that are on track. You know, for example, I could do all the training and the reading and all that kind of stuff.

Dan Meredith:

I love my mom and sister to bits and it's only us you know since Dad's gone, we've got him still but I said to mum if I have it in the diary then. So basically I programme most of my phone is a tool now it used to I used to feel trapped by a mobile phone. Now my phone is a tool that serves me. My phone then tells me what to do. And I will run it through my team. I'll talk to mum and Anna about it. I'll talk to my friend I'll basically I'll basically once a once I've done it, I just make sure it is this right? If I miss it and I'd say to Sarah, who's my assistant, I'll say am I missing anything? So is there something there that I'm not doing it because she's known me for like seven years ago? Yeah, you've got that cool pop in there. So honestly, resilience can be trained. And it comes from discipline and routine.

Hayley:

Yeah, and boundaries by the sound of it.

Dan Meredith:

I'm very that's something that I mean, I never ever want to hurt anyone or make anyone feel bad or but people. One thing I've learned if people are silly, okay, people have weird. Humans are bizarre. They're fucking weird. One minute this person is doing that. And then they do something. Have you seen the things we do for fun? People make to rub their midsection against someone else. I mean, if you ever just taken a pause and had a look and think, What am I doing?

Hayley:

Oh, I don't want to examine it It'll be some sort of existential crisis!

Dan Meredith:

You should and it's like, what are we doing with our lives? What are we doing? I mean, it's fun. Honestly, I'm just being silly for the sake of this podcast. But I've realised that now people often do what's best for them. So if they want to tell you to fuck off, if they blocked you to don't talk to you anymore.

Dan Meredith:

That's a reaction to obviously, maybe your interaction with them. And that's their choice. So I now if anyone wants to do something, if they are an asshole to me, or if they disappear, or if they say something weird. Now I just take a pause. And this is kind of one of the things I don't react, like I use, I take a pause and go, Okay, why might that person be doing that? And is there anything I've done? That could have precipitated that response? Or, you know, often like, I've I have avoided so many confrontations with online or kind of web discussions by just saying, Are you okay, before? I will often say before I say what I want to say, yeah. Are you all right? Have you had a bad day? Yeah, you're okay. Often, that is just a little tip wasn't mine, I can't remember I heard from it just diffuses a lot of things.

Dan Meredith:

Just since the pandemic, people have gone a little bit special. And I just understand that we all deal with things in our own way. So for me, I'm a Deleter. And what do I mean by that as as in like, somebody chooses to no longer fit, that's fine. But I just delete and it's no need. There's not like a fuck you delete. It's like, cool. You know, I always leave a communication channel open. It's like, cool. You go, do you wish you the best? And I just let go?

Dan Meredith:

Anything I can't control. I just let go off. Yeah. So that's really helpful for some things, you just can't change. You know, I can't get my dad back. Okay. And I love my dad. And if anyone's, you know, not familiar with me, and my dad used to call him the goat stands for greatest of all time, an American thing, but he's the GOAT. And he loved it. He's never really had a nickname. And he loved it. And he was known as the goat. And he used to come in all my lives and stuff in the car with him in that

Hayley:

the little emoji the goat emoji.

Dan Meredith:

Yeah. So yeah, so he was always you know, he's a big part of, you know, obviously I love my mom, my sister, but you know, it was just, he was a cool dad. So I can either be consistently sad about that. And a lot of people you know, we'll deal with bereavement in different ways.

Dan Meredith:

But I choose the reframe of I've got people who've had horrible Dads been hurt by their Dad, that's never met their dads. I had forty years of an epic Dad. So I feel very grateful for that. And gratitude is also a big part of it as well.

Dan Meredith:

So for me, again, there's obviously broad resilience things. If I ever feel a little bit, and especially if someone interested, if anyone listening who's doing well, if you're kind of doing above average, things are going well, maybe you got a few more pennies in your pocket, you know, successful, whatever. And for those, you're not there yet, if you keep going, you probably get there eventually, most people if they keep going, you know, will different speeds. But you'll get there.

Dan Meredith:

There'll be a point where you think, well, I shouldn't complain, I should just shut up I'm not allowed to feel stressed or angry or upset or sad, because I have, I have things, I have assets, I have some pennies, I have some freedom, whatever. And I am so fucking grateful for what I have. Right? It took me a long, you know, seven plus years to get here, but I do not regret it. And now I'm enjoying the rewards of that. The work that I did then same as I'm like with my sort of health and fitness now, that was two years ago, I started doing that and it's now the rewards I'm enjoying every day. So one of the things that I will sort of gone off on a tangent because I haven't done this one. So it's always the first one what was my point? I am so sorry.

Hayley:

About resilience?

Dan Meredith:

Why did I start talking about that element? Yes, I remember, this is my little thing. So yes, I got that got it. So for me, some of them my very, very first coach said is when you feel shit or feel bit down or life is battering you in some way, turn your direction into helping someone else. So turn your direction.

Dan Meredith:

So if you've got a skill or an asset, you can go and do a post say hey, I've got an hour free, who needs some help with their, their mindset, their copy their nutrition, whatever.

Dan Meredith:

But for me, one of the things I do is where I live not far from now that I walk this, I do a lot of charity work when I can, with the launches we deal with give percentages away and we did a launch recently solely for charity. One of the things I do though, is this in the city where I live, you know, homeless people come and do a lot of you know, I've got the little lap I've got the same people I see all the time and I chat to him and I help them bring them food and stuff. But if I immediately feel but woe is me, I go and help someone else whether it's online or I go out there and say Right, what can I do for you, you know, can I put you up for a night somewhere? Do you need some food? You know, what can I do? Helping others is a really good way to get yourself ahead.

Hayley:

Yeah, definitely. It's a lot of good advice there.

45:13

That's my only pause as well. Sorry about that. So anyone listening? So well staying on track, and I going off on a Dangent, I'm like, I don't know where I've got to.

Hayley:

We like the Dangents, It's fine. So it seems like right now, sort of, like say everything is coming together. So like, physically, with your health and mentally and emotionally and all that kind of stuff. So you're kind of the full package?

Dan Meredith:

Yeah, no, I feel very happy when I said, But none of this was quick. It took time, you know, had to find what worked for me, you know, Hayley actually had the joys of trying to teach, you know, we'll call it one pan, Dan, for simplicity, and I like cooking, I'm a decent cook.

Dan Meredith:

But for me, the way my brain works is, you know, I can create a really good meal or dish, but I've just created fucking carnage. Great. You've seen what it's like. But it's not me being deliberately messy or lazy. It's just and I think I'm making a nice meal. And I'll look at that, I think I'll do that. So for me, the solution I found was a high quality meal prep company that delivered most of my macros, that still gives me time to cook a nice meal if I want it to. But it's a case of I've got it's like my minimum effective dose, I've got my bases covered. And even if I just go into the fridge, grab those, eat those. I know I'm on track. But when I can't be here, and I'm travelling, you know, we used was it neutral? So did you introduce me to Nutracheck?

Hayley:

Yeah, Nutracheck, it was more because you were eating out a lot at the time it was it. There's more English restaurants and stuff. Now, so

Dan Meredith:

I know the sort of level to stay what I am. And you know what I don't really like I used it quite a lot with you. So I kind of know what I need to do. So when I'm travelling and stuff, it's dead simple. You know, like the other day I was in a hotel for the wedding. And I was like, right, looked at the menus a nice menu had a Marco Pierre White restaurants, so always be nice food. And I thought right is the burger and checks or the sirloin steak and salad going to have more calories. So I think I can probably figure that out. And then I was like, right, and I did want something sweet. I always like to finish with the sweet. And I was like, you know, does the ice cream or the designer, the ice cream or the brownie has no calories or the sorbet. Like, again, I wasn't denying myself, I was just enjoying my food. And I felt you know, I don't know what it was, but give or take. I'm probably on track. So that's the kind of decisions I make now. Whereas previously, I mean, as with our mutual friend, Damien, he's a big boy. But strong, big powerful.

Hayley:

He's a unit

Dan Meredith:

strong, and he's so strong with so much muscle on he can eat more than me as well. You know, he had the, you know, in my rule of thing I would always have if you're in a hotel because I never have an English breakfast. It's not something I do. He's like, do you want to eat for breakfast? And I was like, Yeah, I do. But I know me and a breakfast buffet is not a fan. And then there was the wedding the day before. It was very buffet style. And I ate I think 14 pieces of Battenberg cake. So I can't be trusted. Yeah. So it's from my childhood. And I was like, there weren't, there weren't fucking great big slices that are about like two inch square. And I've had a piece and I was like, wow, he's just put them all on my plate. I'm like, there's none for anyone else. What we learned about buffets today,

Hayley:

yeah, buffets. I think anyone finds it difficult to control themselves around a buffet, really?

Dan Meredith:

I mean, for me, I mean, this may not be especially if you've got, you know, kids and little ones. I know they love their snacks and stuff. But one of the things that's worked really well for me, I just don't have anything unhealthy in the house. Yeah. There's nothing in here, I've deleted all there's just a little thing that I've just might be. I've also deleted all of the delivery apps off my phone, and I use my laptop. So if I want somebody and I have to go in, I have to sign in. I have to put in the password. It's nothing saved. I've deliberately made it a little bit more of a ball ache. Yeah, there's a pattern. But my main thing is if I really want something, I have to go and get it. I have to go forward. So it stops me doing it.

Hayley:

A bit of space between the trigger and the action, doesn't it? That impulsivity

Dan Meredith:

little tip that's worked for me I just don't, there is nothing in my house bar the meal prep, some protein bars, some dried fruit and some nuts. And that's it. So if I you know, that's if I wake up but you know, I used to have this terrible thing that I used to do. Like there were some snacks and when my mum dad and sister moved in with me during the pandemic a little bit so moving house, so they'd have all their snacks and I'd be like, it's like this is little goblin that wakes me up at two in the morning and go there's a Mars bar out there. And my mom was heard so she was living me. There's I just fucking inhaled four Mars bars at two in the morning, but what am I doing?

Hayley:

So yeah, your mom is great at snacks.

Dan Meredith:

She's you know what she I'm actually really proud of my mom on this one because I said to her, I said like, again, again, prefix love at any size, you can be what you want. Okay, well, I used to my mom would buy snacks I said Mom, do you want grandkids one day? Or maybe you know, I'm stopped making me turn into a meatball like seriously.

Dan Meredith:

So she's my mum has been absolutely brilliant because I've been saying too, so I know you you're a feeder, and you'd love to show your love with food. But again, this might be useful for some people there but I took the time to educate my mum. And just say, right, this is what these are good. So now when I go round, there's packs of chicken, there's packs of ham, there's fresh fruit. If she's bought, you know, low calorie things, you know, she still thinks, you know, for example, things like low fat is good, which is cool.

Dan Meredith:

So my final question. As we bring things to a close, I like to ask everybody. Have you got any advice? Or what is your best bit of advice for someone who may be currently in that kind of either starting their business or in that period of like, I must work 20 fucking hours on my business is, you know, in hindsight, knowing what you know about your health and how your business affected it, is there a piece of advice you'd like to give people in that scenario,

Dan Meredith:

I'm like, okay, you know, I'm okay with that. That's okay. But like, she'll get like sugar free things. And there's only sugar free drinks in the house. You know, she's really tried. And I think sometimes we get sabotaged, not in a bad way by like partners and loved ones. But I took the time to say I love you, mum. But I would turn up on my bike to go see my mom or sister and they would literally be you know, I'd have a little backpack, a 15 litre just a small backpack that you have on a bike. And it would be full of stuff. And there'd be like, cans of pop. There would be doughnuts, there'd be cakes, there'd be meat. And I'd be like, I'd get home and I'd say I'm gonna put that away what I thought was fucking snorting it. Quickly. Yeah, that was it. I better get rid of all these snacks. So yeah, that's, again, another dungeon there for everyone listening.

Dan Meredith:

I don't sugarcoat shit. If you want success, you're probably going to have to choke on a bag of dicks for a while, like you are going to have to like seriously think about it. This, if you want to get to where you want to be, it's going to take hard work. And you can condense that hard work like I did, or you can spread out over time, it's your choice, you decide what level you want to play at.

Dan Meredith:

Okay, that's something you got to decide what would I have done? If I don't? You know, would I, you know, gone to bed early and got up later? No, because I needed that time to do the work. But what would I have done is I would have definitely been mindful of my caffeine intake. I've optimised my sleep to make sure the sleep that I did have was as good as it could get.

Dan Meredith:

I would have factored in a little more personal and downtime. But I think the key thing I would have done is I would have worked out what do I need to eat to keep me fueled and going for that period of time. And I would have found time to either get like a meal prep solution or have meal prep myself, or found a way to do it so that I didn't have to think so I would say if you can find a way to prep your food, get what you need ready. So the less thinking you have to do so less you have to work. I mean, I saw a meme about this. He's like he's you know, being a grown up, he's just figuring out what you have dinner every day until the day you die. And it is a pain, you know, is a pain in the ass. So I think if you can make your life simple, if you can make it easy, if you you know, I thrive on probably being a bit boring as I mean, I can eat the same things day in day out every day, with an evening off to kind of be free, go out for dinners, maybe make something you know, if it was my partner at the time, you know, mix them together, go for a nice date night or something like that.

Dan Meredith:

But I would say you know, make it simple. So literally make it simple for you to succeed, I would say you know, I would say that would be a great place to start and just to be aware of your triggers. So if for example, I was an emotional eater, if I got stressed I'd eat if I got happy I'd eat you know, as my thing that is quite common. So I will say is being mindful of those triggers, and maybe working out why that pushes you off what you can do about it and maybe think of other ways of doing it. Your ways of addressing it without having to resort to snorting a million cakes!

Hayley:

Yeah, it does those kind of alternative coping mechanisms. Yeah. You're kind of doing that to sort of fill a hole. Yeah, yeah.

Dan Meredith:

And that's it was alcohol as well with me. It was just kind of that was so yeah, that's what I would change it. I wouldn't, you know, I stand by the effort I put in and I say to you want to achieve something of merit or have no, it takes time and it takes work and it takes more than you probably imagine both time and work. But yeah, the thing you know, wouldn't change that and I don't regret it and I stick by what I did to get to where I am. But I would have fueled myself better and looked at better coping mechanisms than the ones that I had at the time. And I would have addressed the underlying concerns. So yeah, so a bit of a roundabout one there, but I hope that was what you're after.

Hayley:

No, that's awesome. It's realistic and pragmatic advice. So it was an online guru ish. It's like, when you die, otherwise you don't want it enough.

Dan Meredith:

Yeah. Bullshit, isn't it? Absolutely nonsense.

Hayley:

Awesome. Thank you so much. It's been really fun. So yeah, and you can find Coffee with Dan and stuff. I will put the links in the show notes. So go join. If you're not already a member, if you're a business owner, you need to be in there because there's lots of really cool people and advice. And I'll also put a link to Dan's book. How to be fucking awesome in the show notes too. So yeah, thank you so much.

Dan Meredith:

Thank you for listening. I hope that made sense at some points.

Hayley:

It was amazing. Thank you. And thank you to everyone else for listening. And until next week, please take care of yourselves.

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